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Shouting out: is a New Yorker ever wrong?

 

New York City

 

by Jeremy Willinger 

"Recently, Lyudmila Bloch participated in a series of articles for The New York Times, in which people submitted questions on etiquette and Lyudmila offered her expert opinion. It was interesting to see the responses to several of Lyudmila’s answers and suggestions— as etiquette is a divisive subject, and, this being New York, people are not shy about sharing their opinions."

 

Question:What is the proper way to chew gum in public? The other day I was on a crowed subway and this woman standing opposite me, and very close, was chewing her gum with her mouth open and just looked so ungraceful. It made me realize how bad people look when really getting into their gum and if they only knew how undignified it looked and how others nearby don’t necessarily want to see it.

— Posted by Chris

 

Answer:

I’m so glad that you asked this question! The practice of chewing gum was supposed to relieve facial tension and relax other muscles in our body. However, I’m not aware of any clinical studies that can confirm this assumption.

The inventor of the first chewing gum was a Mexican military man, Antonio López de Santa Anna, who led the attack on San Antonio in the 1830s, when Texas decided to claim its independence from Mexico. However, Santa Anna was defeated by Gen. Sam Houston but was never punished for his war crimes. When the conflict was over and Texas became a state in 1845, Antonio López de Santa Anna brought with him to his new place of residence, Staten Island, New York, his favorite “chew” – a milky sap extracted from a Mexican tree called “sapodilla.” Later, it was processed and flavored to form a chewing substance – known today as the “chewing gum.” It is undignified and disrespectful to chew gum when interacting with other people, attending events or sharing tight, enclosed spaces such as a subway train full of passengers.                                                                        Lyudmila Bloch


Question:
What about holding doors for women, or letting them in or off the elevator first? Is it now gauche for men to do these things?

JSH 

 

Answer:

It is never out of style to hold an elevator door for a woman or help an elderly person to go through a revolving door. Overall civility governs our society and behavior. As children, we learn the rules of etiquette and, gradually, we internalize them. We don’t think about a specific action – it comes naturally to us. The word citizen derives from Latin – “civis,” or a resident in the big city. The assumption was that civil people live in large urban settings where they could learn from one another and form a civil convention. Our overall knowledge of etiquette requires us to reflect, stop for a moment and behave in a predictable and, therefore, “civilized” manner! Mark Twain wrote: “Etiquette requires us to admire the human race!”

Lyudmila Bloch

Question:Why do NYers have such an awful reputation on etiquette? I’ve always been a helpful NYer, gone out of my way to show people around or make recommendations of restaurants, etc. And, I’ve seen many others do the same. And all I ask in return is – don’t block the subway doors when people are trying to get out, step into the center of the car (there’s no reason to set up at the doors; you really will get out), don’t stand stock still at the top of a flight of stairs during rush hour and if you want to stare up at the tall buildings, please just step to the side.

— Posted by Nyer in MS

Answer:You’re unfortunately right… New Yorkers are perceived as “unmannerly people” because we are too relaxed in our basic etiquette. Any specific culture imposes its restraints and cultural demands on society, thereby setting cultural expectations by honoring traditions and cultural rituals.

In many other countries, people experience rush hours, traffic congestion and overcrowded transportation; yet, they manage to deal with it with respect and consideration toward other citizens. Take, for example, the Germans, Japanese or Swiss – the basic civility is instilled in their young, and they are raised to respect and revere their traditions. Every person is drilled to notice early signs of discomfort or displeasure in the body language of others and correct his/her behavior in the context of their native culture.  

   

Read more about New York Etiquette in the provided links to the New York Times' blog:

 Part 1:

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/05/05/answers-about-etiquette-in-new-york/

 

Part 2:

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/05/06/answers-about-etiquette-in-new-york-part-2/

 

Part 3:

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/05/07/answers-about-etiquette-in-new-york-part-3/

"We are going to address one of the main criticisms raised in the comment boxes, and hope that our response will be clarifying and thought-provoking.

In regard to a public conversation, Lyudmila argued that interjecting into a conversation is rude no matter what the circumstances may be. “Dave” commented to the contrary, saying, “Interjecting in public conversations — at least on some topics, like the best way to get somewhere, Manhattan geography, or the relative merits of the Mets and Yankees — is a time-honored New York tradition.” Others supported his notion.

Regardless of whether it is a time-honored New York tradition (full disclosure: the writer is a native New Yorker), as the author asserts, interrupting any conversation is simply not ok. No matter what type of information is being offered, it is still a rude gesture.

If, as many argued, you overheard wrong information being dispensed (such as to get on the downtown train when the person wants to go uptown), then the interruption is indeed a welcome interjection. However, it is still a breach of social etiquette. Doing so should be tempered by the interrupter offering first an apology and then the clarification (i.e., “I’m sorry, but I couldn’t help but overhear you discussing the uptown trains, and I think you will need to transfer, as this is the downtown side”).

It’s actually easy to get one’s point across without violating the protocols of proper etiquette. The interrupter must interject in a calm and helpful tone of voice, and make the interruption as brief as possible. Inserting oneself into a conversation is ill-advised, but treating others as you wish to be treated -- e.g., being helpful but not dominating -- is always appropriate."